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2008-07-30 20:37
Hi all,

********** IMPORTANT **********
The development of TMTool has slowed down. I'm not sure I will make another version.

The reason for this is the developers of TM. They seem more and more like amateurs and I do no longer want to put hours after hours into supporting a game where the developers are behaving like this.

They continuously ignore bug reports (even simple ones).
They introduce new features that doesn't work AT ALL.
They do not care ONE BIT about the tool developers that has put MANY hours into supporting their game. They do not seem to want to help us help the community.
In fact it seems like they despise most of the userbase that play for free.

Well I could go on but the bottom line is that I do not like the recent choices the developers has made and I do not want to put anymore hours into supporting them.

I've started to develop a new online manager game and will play TM just to keep my team going.

Thanks to all the users that have supported me during the development of TMTool. You guys made it worth the effort, but that is unfortunately no longer enough.

/AC Bettler
********** IMPORTANT **********

What is TMTool?
With screenshots
http://tmtool.alxb.dk/whatis.php

Download:
http://tmtool.alxb.dk/download.php



Last edited: 2009-01-09 11:56. Edited 8 time(s) in total.






Founded 2007-01-17
1.1
Forum Teamster
2008-07-30 21:02
Do you have to add players manuel?

Download = succes :) - looks very nice...



Founded 2007-03-29
2.1
2008-07-30 21:26
I tried the automatic import

I got 3 players imported correctly before an error. I killed the application and tried again.

This time I got the error again and noted the run time details (WindowsXP).

details deleted on request

Last edited: 2008-07-30 21:41. Edited 1 time(s) in total.



Founded 2007-01-17
1.1
Forum Teamster
2008-07-30 21:33
He wrote in the danis forum that he had found a minor error... It will ready in 10 minuts.

Could you delete the links Chariot? :)


2008-07-30 21:33
An update has been made to solve this problem. It should work fine now.

To update just download the program again and install.



Founded 2007-05-24
2.2
2008-07-30 21:44
i just downloaded your new version 1.1.8 and seams that i cant add players with "stars" in the stats. keep giving the same error:

System.FormatException: Input string was not in a correct format.

In the GKs window you didnt set the skill value, its a bug?

your tool have a very nice looking :P congrats!
Thanks in advance!



2008-07-30 21:49
Orange
i just downloaded your new version 1.1.8 and seams that i cant add players with "stars" in the stats. keep giving the same error:

System.FormatException: Input string was not in a correct format.

In the GKs window you didnt set the skill value, its a bug?
...


Can you tell me the last player that was imported? The player lowest on the list.

That will tell me which player causing the error.

And about the GK skill-thing. It's not a bug, I just don't have the correct formula for calculating it yet. Working on it.

EDIT: And does it say version 0.1.1.8 in the "Help->About" box?

Last edited: 2008-07-30 21:51. Edited 1 time(s) in total.



Founded 2007-03-29
2.1
2008-07-30 22:04
I used the automatic import and it has pulled in 43 out of my 53 players in the squad. So 10 players are just missing. Derek Peasey is an example.

While I'm here I'll tell you the first thing I tried to do. Increase the size of the window, as I want to see some of the TrExMa calculations for skills and the names, but currently they get scrolled off.

Also can we modify the TrExMa calcuatlions. For instance it does not make sense that OML does not use passing in its formula. So I always change that one on other tools

Good work :)




2008-07-30 22:33
Son's of the Chariot
I used the automatic import and it has pulled in 43 out of my 53 players in the squad. So 10 players are just missing. Derek Peasey is an example.

While I'm here I'll tell you the first thing I tried to do. Increase the size of the window, as I want to see some of the TrExMa calculations for skills and the names, but currently they get scrolled off.

Also can we modify the TrExMa calcuatlions. For instance it does not make sense that OML does not use passing in its formula. So I always change that one on other tools

Good work :)



Try clicking "Update Squad" again. I only got 30 players imported from your squad the first time, but when i clicked again the last 23 players came on.
I think TM has some problems right now. I'm getting the "Please wait"-page when i move around the site now.

Next: There is no calculations going on in the user interface, it's all hidden away and only process in the memory.

About the TrExMa calculations: good idea. I will make people able to change the values. You're right, I can see that a OML only weights Pas with 5% of it's total skill.
But it uses 60% Cro, and that is basically a special kind og pass. But it will become changeable.

EDIT: And when you look at: http://trophymanager.com/userguide.php?show=04¶graph=8 will you see that the TM-team does not use Pas for an OML.

Last edited: 2008-07-30 22:54. Edited 2 time(s) in total.



Founded 2007-05-24
2.2
2008-07-30 23:13
AC Bettler
Orange
i just downloaded your new version 1.1.8 and seams that i cant add players with "stars" in the stats. keep giving the same error:

System.FormatException: Input string was not in a correct format.

In the GKs window you didnt set the skill value, its a bug?
...


Can you tell me the last player that was imported? The player lowest on the list.

That will tell me which player causing the error.

And about the GK skill-thing. It's not a bug, I just don't have the correct formula for calculating it yet. Working on it.

EDIT: And does it say version 0.1.1.8 in the "Help->About" box?


you are right, my bad i downloaded the new version but i was still working with the 1.1.7. its fixed, now it's working well.

now i'll try your tool, i'm very impressed with it. good job!





Founded 2007-03-29
2.1
2008-07-30 23:13
AC Bettler


Try clicking "Update Squad" again. I only got 30 players imported from your squad the first time, but when i clicked again the last 23 players came on.
I think TM has some problems right now. I'm getting the "Please wait"-page when i move around the site now.

Next: There is no calculations going on in the user interface, it's all hidden away and only process in the memory.

About the TrExMa calculations: good idea. I will make people able to change the values. You're right, I can see that a OML only weights Pas with 5% of it's total skill.
But it uses 60% Cro, and that is basically a special kind og pass. But it will become changeable.


Got them all now, thanks for that. I noticed the site was a little slow just now too.

I used formation assistant and it picked my exact lineup :) However I turned up complexity to 9 and it made my computer run very slow. Killed it and rebooted.

Just one gripe left, that is resize the tool.

Apart from that its exactly what I need.





Founded 2007-03-29
2.1
2008-07-30 23:15
AC Bettler

EDIT: And when you look at: http://trophymanager.com/userguide.php?show=04¶graph=8 will you see that the TM-team does not use Pas for an OML.


I have submitted a user guide bug for that. Clearly is a bug.

You can't tell me that this player does not use his passing at all, lol

all those short passes, through balls and assists.

B. Salter, 28 years (oml)
Strength:18Stamina:16Pace:17
Marking:15Tackling:15Work rate:15
Positioning:16Passing:20Crossing:16
Technique:16Heading:14Finishing:13
Long shots:10Set pieces:11ASI:92,267


Last edited: 2008-07-30 23:16. Edited 1 time(s) in total.



Founded 2007-05-25
3.5
Game Teamster
2008-07-31 00:28
@AC Bettler

You want this to be a "sticky", like some other tools out there? ;-)



Founded 2007-05-31
1.1
Forum Teamster
2008-07-31 03:19
may be we can have 1 topic for all tools


2008-07-31 04:01
Donald Duck
may be we can have 1 topic for all tools


Maybe have a stickie which has the links to each tool and a descritpion about each tool.


2.3
Language Teamster
2008-07-31 04:40
Sounds great!

I like the Features and plans.



Founded
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2008-07-31 05:33
good tool man...but you need to include scout reports for individual players and TI also



Founded 2007-03-12
1.1
2008-07-31 08:18
I've only just downloaded the tool and uploaded my team. It got all players but for a player with a ' in their name, it converts it to #39;

for example O'Donovan became O#39;Donovan which, I think you'll agree, is a little more difficult to pronounce ;-)


1.1
Forum Teamster
2008-07-31 08:35
Donald Duck
may be we can have 1 topic for all tools


In spanish:
http://trophymanager.com/forum.php?topic=show&show=37549


2008-07-31 09:41
Elland rovers
I've only just downloaded the tool and uploaded my team. It got all players but for a player with a ' in their name, it converts it to #39;

for example O'Donovan became O#39;Donovan which, I think you'll agree, is a little more difficult to pronounce ;-)


That will be fixed in the next release, thanks. And I agree, not that easy to pronounce #39; ;)



Founded 2006-07-25
1.1
2008-07-31 09:44
Site page scanning is allowed by MT now ?



2008-07-31 10:12
RUS Cheratte
Site page scanning is allowed by MT now ?


Why would it not? That is how the internet works. Site owners cannot dictate who download their pages. And I do not store any data that would infringe with their copyright.

Would they also ban Google for scanning their pages?

EDIT: I can see in the officiel rules that they say it's illegal to get information from the TM servers. Ouch! And you are only allowed to navigate the site with on-site links. I can link to several sites that links to TM and use information from the site.

And I'm not "automate[ing] the game in any way." I merely collect statistics.

"You're not allowed to use any kind of program to 'scan' Trophy Manager."
This is not that clear. What is 'scan'? I can make my program into a webbrowser, where you simply 'use the on-site links' to navigate to all your players individually. Then the source code would be sent to my program, then i could simply use the information from there.

If 'scan' is crawling (parse links and crawl from page to page) then I'm not doing anything wrong. I simply store the data that is sent to my webbrowser client.

"Parts of the site may not be included on other web sites or in other programs. Nor is it allowed to use or distribute any third party software which automates any part of the game, unless you have an agreement with TM first."

I do not include parts of the site, that any other TM tool doesn't. And I do not automate anything.

Last edited: 2008-07-31 10:30. Edited 1 time(s) in total.



Founded 2006-08-09
1.1
Forum Teamster
2008-07-31 10:22
From the rules:

...automate the game in any way. You're not allowed to use any kind of program to 'scan' Trophy Manager. Parts of the site may not be included on other web sites or in other programs. Nor is it allowed to use or distribute any third party software which automates any part of the game, unless you have an agreement with TM first.

And also one thing:

How it is controlled that no one uses this program to upload other teams information?

Last edited: 2008-07-31 10:23. Edited 1 time(s) in total.


2008-07-31 10:32
Bacar Di Bullot
How it is controlled that no one uses this program to upload other teams information?


Why is this any different from browsing to that persons team and look at his players there?



Founded 2006-08-09
1.1
Forum Teamster
2008-07-31 10:44
Way different...

For instance you have to open all players individually and with your program you can check everything with a single view.

Also you have a formation tool in the program. That is something that might make Pro assistant managers useless and I'm sure developers aren't really happy about it.




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